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How do you plant? was: Re: [LbNA] Just some tips and observations

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How do you plant? was: Re: [LbNA] Just some tips and observations

From: Ann Kingman (amkingman@hotmail.com) | Date: 2001-07-15 22:41:16 UTC-04:00
Thank you Richard, this was great information...

I would like information from the list on how you go about planting your
letterboxes..mainly, how and when do you write your clues? Do you plant
first, then figure out your clues, or ??? How do you make sure that someone
unfamiliar with the area will be able to follow the instructions -- ideally,
I guess, your directions would be verified by someone with a "fresh eye",
but if that is not possible?

Secondly, once we *do* plant letterboxes, how do we disseminate clues? I
know that we can post them here, but other than that, do we need to put them
on our own web page to be linked to from letterboxing.org? Do we notify
that webmaster? Any other people/sites that should be notified?

Lastly, are there any no-no's about planting letterboxes in areas that
require admission?

Thanks for any guidance,
Ann in MA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard W. Gretzinger"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:35 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Just some tips and observations


> Hello,
>
> My girl friend and I are relatively new to this sport/pastime. I have a
> very extensive mapping and orienteering background in the eastern United
> states. I grew up in Bucks County, PA and know the parks and trials like
> the back of my hand. As a leterboxing hunter for about a year now
(hunting
> mostly PA, NJ and DE boxes)
> I have made some observations as to clues and directions and box placing
> that would help make the sport more enjoyable, and not as frustrating.
>
> Please realize that the environment changes and trails change sometimes
over
> night, They can be reblazed and re-routed so if you place a box in an area
> you either need to re-visit the box to see if the clues still fit the
local
> or give one or two backup clues of solid landmarks, directions or headings
> to help the "would-be" box hunter re-adjust their assumptions. If not,
you
> may have hikers off trail in places they shouldn't be, chasing an
assumption
> not a fact. Try to use good landmarks (Monuments, Historical sites, Old
> trees, Large rocks...if it looks like it's been there forever it probably
> has, and will be for a long time.) as well as headings, paces and
direction.
>
> Just this weekend we were in Tyler state park seeking a box. The
placement
> of the box was near a body of water (river) and on trails that are
> frequented by horses and bikes. --Here is a double whammy. When placing
a
> box near a river you have to take into account the flood plane... and that
> in a big storm (like the one we in that park had last mouth) could flood
the
> area (9'under). Water and debris from down stream can accumulate and make
> the box un-retrievable. Also horse and bike trails change very
frequently.
> Some riders choose to go around obstacles in the trail and create new
trails
> parallel to the old one. Since a horse is large and heavy and in wearing
> some kind shoe the trails get cut very quickly. One or two horses more
and
> you have a new fork head. So if you navigate your clues with trail heads
or
> T's or forks, it can be quite confusing of you do not back it up with a
real
> landmark. Try to avoid stumps for It is likely to be removed as it
> deteriorates. There's a box at Pea Patch Island that uses a tree stump as
a
> landmark. It was removed. Though frustrated we eventually found the box.
>
> There's a box near Hopewell furnace (we were the first to find) that uses
> Trees and Trails sometimes as lone landmarks...the trails are for biking
and
> hiking so the heads and especially the T in the clue was re-forged into an
> intersection, since there was no other CLEAR clue or landmark this led us
on
> a 3mi un-necessary hike. We found the box, after a full day of hiking and
> re-hiking and re-guessing, and moving our car(due to the lot closing)...,
> but we were VERY FRUSTRATED.
>
> Avoid using GPS for your clues, it is very unlikely that the average
hunter
> has this type of device. It is likely that they're armed with a $12.00
> compass from REI so If you do use GPS check out the heading with a cheap
> Silva and note the variation in your clue. Even using GPS and
> survey-mapping the course before setting out can still be. (usually pacing
> is about + or - 10% - compass headings + or - 5% to 8%) even if you
factor
> this into the clue you still should be + or - 10% to 12% off in your clue.
>
> It's funny but the box's that have been placed in problem areas, with
vague
> clues and landmarks seem to be the ones that have no stamps in them. It's
> not an ego trip here folks, be smart, have fun....you may learn something
> about the environment around us and just how precious and ever-changing it
> is.
>
> Good hunting
>
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Re: How do you plant? was: Re: [LbNA] Just some tips and observations

From: Randy Hall (randy@mapsurfer.com) | Date: 2001-07-15 23:16:16 UTC-04:00

> I would like information from the list on how you go about planting your
> letterboxes..mainly, how and when do you write your clues? Do you plant
> first, then figure out your clues, or ???

I decide strategically what I want to do, and what approach I want to
take.

Then I get to know the area and decide where I want the thing to be,
in keeping with the general approach.

Then, almost without fail, I work backward from the hiding place to
the starting place, noting features, and using features that will work
well in the prose of the general approach. More often than not, the
features will alter the general approach, so it is an iterative
process.

Then I fill in the text of the clue.

Then, if it is local to where I am, I vet the completed clue by starting
at the starting place and going to the hiding place, and check off each
word and each feature, and look for things that can genuinely be
misconstrued, both in the text, and in the terrain.

Then I put the clue on my web site.

Then I post a link to the clue to this list.

The webmasters then link to it.

This is just one way to do it. There are other, prolly simpler,
and better ways. I do know that the webmasters would prefer if
we all maintained our own clue pages, so their job of simply linking
to them rather than converting and publishing them would be easier.
If you don't have the resources to do this, then posting the clue
to the list is what usually happens. This allows the webmasters
to be slow or link to the archive until they have time to republish
the clue. The webmasters prefer if the county is specified, unless it
is a mystery clue.

> Lastly, are there any no-no's about planting letterboxes in areas that
> require admission?

The fact that admission is charged, IMO, does not present a no-no
above and beyond any other no-nos that may be associated with the
location.

HTH
Randy